Post Game Thoughts: Seton Hall 56, Notre Dame 68, Tourney Just Out of Reach
The Seton Hall Pirates finished their 2009-2010 campaign with a record of 19-12 and 9-9 in the BIG EAST conference. The season was long and contained plenty of ups and downs. It was frustrating, but entertaining, hopeful, but underachieving. Progress was made, but the NCAA tournament was not. Was it enough progress? That depends on the opinion of each individual fan, I suppose. In Bobby Gonzalez's fourth year, he set expectations of making the NCAA Tournament, yet delivered a .500 conference record.
The quality of talent on this year's squad was never in question, yet something was missing. How could a team so talented continuously end up on the wrong side of close games? Furthermore, the Pirates had an opportunity to play their way into the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2005-2006, yet, they couldn't get up for the game. It was only 24 hours ago that the Pirates were playing their best basketball of the season and only 23 hours ago that they were playing some of their worst. Following last night's scare, Seton Hall picked up right where they left of.
Bobby Gonzalez could benefit by learning a thing or two from Mike Brey's effective use of clock management. After nearly blowing a 29 point second half lead against Providence, the Pirates ran into a Fighting Irish team that held the Pirates at bay by keeping the ball out of their hands. The Irish scored a quick bucket to begin the second half to extend the lead to nine points and the Pirates wouldn't get any closer for the rest of the night. The Irish strategically worked the ball around their offense and spread out a frustrated Seton Hall defense. When the Pirates gambled, Notre Dame made them pay by pounding the ball inside and finding cutting teammates for easy lay-ups and point-blank shot attempts.
I'm sure the Pirates were prepared to defend an Irish team that shoots 40% from long-distance and if you told me they would hit only 3-of-11 3PT attempts, I would have felt pretty confident in The Hall's chances. What they prepared for and what they saw were obviously leagues apart as ND immediately found a mismatch in the Seton Hall interior, taking advantage throughout the night. After Carleton Scott picked up 2PF in the first four minutes, Luke Harangody checked into the game and wasted no time in his pursuit to take over.
There would be no luck of the Pirates tonight as Luke had his way with the interior defense from the minute he checked in. A quick Seton Hall start that produced a 9-2 lead prior to 'Gody entering the game was quickly erased as Luke led his teammates on a 13-4 run, good for 8 of the 13 Irish points. Herb Pope would pick up his 2nd PF with 11:30 left in the first half and hit the bench for extended minutes. That allowed Harangody to abuse John Garcia, Ferrakohn Hall and even Robert Mitchell inside throughout the first half. The Pirates let the Irish score at will around the tin, in fact, 22 of Notre Dame's 28 first half points came from dunks or layups. Think about that, the Irish didn't even need to attempt a jump shot in order to outscore Seton Hall (21) at the break. As Notre Dame was scoring in bunches from inside, Seton Hall would try to catch up from outside. There's one problem with that, when the shots don't fall, adjustments need to be made. The Pirates were just 2-of-18 from long-distance and Jeremy Hazell was 1-of-9 on his own. Shooting 11% on 18 attempts equates to a ton of wasted possessions and that's exactly what the Pirates did for much of the night.
Despite turning the ball over just 6 times, poor shot selection and the lack of an offensive game plan throughout the night more than made up for the, "good" ball control on display. Usually, if the Pirates are playing poorly, they're rushing offensive possessions, however, tonight they seemed to just stand around lifeless, waiting for something to happen. The problem is, nothing happened. Jump shots were tightly defended, ND took Hazell out of the game by briefly throwing a double-team his way, causing him to pass as he was unable to set up penetration.
Pope and Robinson couldn't get going inside and the jump shots weren't falling outside, a true recipe for disaster. As the scoring options thinned, it became apparent that the offense was limited and the players attempted to play one-on-one. Except, the shots wouldn't fall. Hazell continued to launch 3PT attempts that never had a chance, Stix took one of the ugliest fade away 20 foot jump shots we've seen all year, Pope wasted minutes on the bench, JRob was out-muscled in the low post and Keon's lack of confidence caused him to pass up open looks. I summed up the halftime report with, "ugly," however the word would be put to better use in describing tonight's offensive effort. It was one of the poorest we've seen from this club all year and it couldn't have come at a more inopportune time. The Pirates finished the game shooting just 34.5% from the field and 11% from 3PT range, numbers you simply can't expect to win with.
Follow the jump for player breakdowns and quotes from Bobby Gonzalez, Mike Brey and Jeff Robinson
On to the player breakdowns:
-Jeremy Hazell continued his improvement on the glass grabbing 5REB, however he finished with another bad shooting night hitting just 5-of-16 shots for from the floor and 1-of-9 3PT, good for 15PTS. Hazell was again bothered by his recent back injury as the trainers did their best to work on him while he caught a few minutes of rest on the bench. I hope this wasn't his last game in a Seton Hall uniform. Not only does he need to refine his game at the collegiate level, but he's brought a level of excitement to the Pirates that we haven't had in a long time. He's capable of becoming one of the premier players in the nation next season and if he dedicates himself to improving in the off-season, it's likely that he will be.
-Herb Pope gave it his all finishing with 14PTS/9REB, but was severely limited due to foul trouble as he only logged 29 minutes tonight. Playing with 2PF, Pope was a bit careless in the first half. First, he dribbled coast-to-coast before barreling into his defender. Luckily for Pope, the zebra called it as a block, but it could have gone either way. Shortly after, Pope went up for a defensive rebound and whacked Abromaitis in the face, picking up his 3PF before halftime.
The team suffers tremendously when Pope gets into early foul trouble. He attempts to play cautiously to avoid picking up fouls, but by doing so, the opponent ends up scoring too easily inside. When Pope hits the bench, Seton Hall losses it's best rebounder and his replacement rarely puts forth the same defensive effort. It's tough to get on Pope for picking up fouls as he's out there playing as hard as anyone on the floor. The majority of his fouls aren't the lazy or tired type, instead he picks them up like he picked up his 3rd, fighting for the ball and accidentally making contact with the opponent. You've got to applaud the effort, I firmly believe he'll get the fouling under control next season.
-Jordan Theodore, fresh off of multiple games where he has increased his offensive output, only converted 1-of-9 from the floor finishing with 5PTS/2AST/2BLK/2STL. Defensively, he's been as good as anyone this season, but tonight JT was clearly tired. On the first play of the game, he made a miraculous steal after ND recovered the tip-off, penetrated to the basket and drew contact, but ended up turning the ball over. In the second half, JT checked in with about 13 minutes remaining and Hansbrough immediately blew by him. No one rotated over to help him. At that point, any and all questions regarding the team's legs were answered. It was obvious that they were too tired to keep up with the fresh legs of the Irish.
-Bobby Gonzalez rode his senior PG for 37 minutes and Harvey was the most productive SHU PG tonight, finishing with 10PTS/3REB/2AST/2STL on 5-of-8 shooting. It was Harvey and Garcia's last BIG EAST Tournament game in a Pirates uniform. Their leadership on the floor will be missed. Thanks for the memories, guys.
-One of the bright spots of this season has been junior transfer Jeff Robinson. JRob stepped up tremendously over the second half of conference play to levels that few of us expected. He finished his first year in the BE with a 9PT/3REB performance as he struggled to get it going tonight. Robinson couldn't establish his inside game on the ND defenders tonight as he has against recent conference foes.
-Luke Harangody dropped 20PTS/10REB in 24 minutes off of the bench for the Irish. Tory Jackson was Notre Dame's only other player to finish in double-figures (13).
Quick-Hits from the press conference courtesy of Adam Zagoria:
"Keep Seton Hall on the board (for NCAAs). Give it two days, and come back and look at the big picture."
"I THOUGHT this was the most tired I've seen our team the entire year. We just didn't' have our legs."
"We just had too many guys not play well and you're not going to beat a team like Notre Dame with a situation like that."
"There's no doubt we could beat somebody if we got to the NCAA tournament. No doubt. So I think we should be on the board".
"There's plenty of people who saw us who think we're an NCAA tournament team."
"So if we do play in the NIT, we're going to treat that like it's the NCAA and try to win that."
...Much more to come in tomorrow's day after post.
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As Bill Parcells says.......
You are what your record says you are. In the biggest game at this university in FOUR YEARS, they layed an absolute egg. 11-2 lead disappeared (just like Robinson disappeared) and they had no fight, except for Herb Pope. He tried to put this team on his back, sometimes being over aggressive. He busted his butt more than anyone. I think he was the only guy on the team diving on the floor for loose balls. One of the biggest busts tonight was Robinson. Way to pull a No-Show tonight JRob! He looked afraid to take the ball to the hoop and got schooled by Harangody all night. But the problem, as it has been ALL year, and the one that Bobby MUST address this summer is perimiter shooting. JT and Keon should be shooting 500 jump shots per day. You can’t go far in the Big East when your guards are absolutely no threat on offense. How can you possibly expect to win, when you close out the first half MISSING 14 out of 16 shots? It was obvious Hazell was hurting. I’m very disgusted that this team had no fire, fight or heart (other than Pope). I will say it one last time because I killed him for most of the year. But I’m very proud that Pope is on this team. He has shown a lot of guts the last 5+ games. Maybe if other guys on this team showed the same toughness, they would be moving on. Instead, they played like a team with no desperation. They sure didn’t play like a team that heard from every sports show in the country, win and you’re in. They belong in the NIT, NOT in the big dance.
by PirateBlue on Mar 11, 2010 5:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
A 9 minute stretch in the first half from 12:30 to 3:30 with only one FG?
Unacceptable
Gonzo Ball
[gahn-zo-bawl]
-noun 1. a game played by 13 members of a basketball team, five at a time, sometimes crisp, often sloppy, but always furiously.
by GonzoBallSHU on Mar 11, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
To add
While I do think we got soundly outplayed last night and our players didn’t bring their A game, I think it was even more noticeable that we got soundly outcoached. We were completely unprepared for Notre Dame’s offensive sets. Even after we realized what they were doing, we didn’t make the adjustments. Same goes for the offensive and defensive end. Our guys were tired and didn’t bring the heart, but I don’t think they were at all ready for this game. Preparedness is on the coach.
Defense
ESPN couldnt say it enough, although Providence is the worst defensive team in the BE, we are only better than them in that category. How does this happen when we have solid defenders in JT, Keon, Mitchell, Pope, and even JROB? —who played Harangody very well last game against ND. I don’t know the answer to that. Maybe it’s something the coaches need to look at. But it brings me to my next point. There’s always going to be a guy who can take his guy one on one and hit a big shot in the BE. Jackson did that a number of times against us no matter how well defense was played on our part. Jones did it in our loss to USF. We need guys that can take the ball themselves and hit those contested shots. Harvey does that from time to time, but he is mostly a lay up kinda guy and Hazell can do that as well but when he is off his game it leads to mostly turn overs. I don’t think that is what wins you games but if everyone is going to be standing around on offense, I guess that is what you have to do. We couldn’t get our up and down game going so we needed guys to drive and draw a defender and find that open man. We didn’t and we just stood around last night. I mean set some picks, get open, do something!
Pope brought great energy to the BET but last night is what I was afraid of. I didn’t think he played smart. His third foul was actually for an offensive rebound and I like his hustle but there was no way he’d be getting that ball and he made a bad choice to go for it when he already had 2 fouls. You could even see bobby just ask him, “What were you doing? You had 2 fouls.” The energy was good but he has to keep his composure.
The NIT is not what we wanted and personally I think we should be in above a couple of teams that are getting talked up for the NCAA’s. However, we are not going to win games if we continue playing like we do. I think the team has a lot of promise especially if people stay around next season. With that, we need to work on defense, what we do when we can’t control the tempo, and work on our jump shots. If we are going to shoot 87% from the line all of a sudden, jeez maybe we should just drive and draw the foul more. And Hazell, did I mention work on defense?
Still holding out hope
Seton Hall laid a major egg last night against Notre Dame. Still I think they have an outside shot at the tournament. They haven’t lost any “bad” games, they have several quality wins, and a strong strength of schedule. This leads me to believe they sneak into the Tournament at an 11 seed.
Let’s hope if we are forunate enough to make the tournament – that we bring our A game. Do you hear me BOBBY?
by South Jersey Wedding Photographer on Mar 11, 2010 7:10 PM EST reply actions
Well I hear you and would love to agree with you...
BUT, we’re going to need A LOT of help. We’re on the last four out in many projections, so we’re right there. It’s going to come down to whether all tournament locks win their tournaments, while other bubble teams implode. Once two or three Cinderellas win their conference tournament, or if Cinci wins tonight, we’re finished.
More to come on all of this in tonight’s post.
Gonzo Ball
[gahn-zo-bawl]
-noun 1. a game played by 13 members of a basketball team, five at a time, sometimes crisp, often sloppy, but always furiously.
by GonzoBallSHU on Mar 11, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree we will need help
19-12 is not a typical resume for the NCAA Tournament, but I really feel that the tournament rewards teams strength of schedule – and Seton Hall has that going for them. I really felt Notre Dame was a near must win game – it would be sad to see us head to NIT only.
by South Jersey Wedding Photographer on Mar 11, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Three words to describe this season
WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA.
So many moments this year where one play, one action, or one decision decided a game. So many opportunities to get that marquee win all missed by this team. We deserve to be in the NIT. End of discussion.

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