Post-Game Thoughts: Seton Hall 71, Villanova 81. Was the White Flag Waved?
Update 11:12PM
On benching Hazell with four minutes left: "I understand he has a lot of pride and he was trying to win the game, he had 32 points and he really was our only guy who was scoring. But you just can’t go 1-on-5 and be putting your head down and complaining to the refs on every call and taking bad shots. It’s not good for the team, the offense, the coaching staff, it’s just not good. It’s not the way you want to play college basketball. I wouldn’t be doing a good job if I allowed him to do that—I’m not teaching him, I’m not helping him. So I took him out."
"I said, ‘Jeremy you can go one-on-one and be forceful and press and look for some shots, but you can’t come down every time and take bad double-clutch shots. You don’t get points for degree of difficulty with guys tackling you, and then complaining to the officials, because even the officials got frustrated. So it was just a chance for me to be a leader and maybe teach him something. Hopefully he learned from it."
A chance to be a leader? By all but forfeiting the game with the only scoring threat on the bench? Would Bobby have benched Hazell had he made the last 3 shots in question? No, he wouldn't have and Seton Hall would have still been alive in the final minutes. Instead, Gonzo didn't even give his team a chance to win by benching Hazell, that's not leadership, it's bad decision making. If Gonzalez is going to let Hazell get away with taking bad shots and making them without reprimanding the kid, it's awfully hard to turn the tables on the player when his shots aren't falling. I really hope Jeremy doesn't go all John Wall on Gonzalez in this situation. That being said, tonight's decision from coach Gonzalez may ultimately be just one of many that steers Hazell into the league next year. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know if I can blame the kid after what we saw tonight.
From Brendan Prunty:
The Pirates coach said that since he got into Hazell afterward, Gonzalez didn’t make him available for comment: "I didn’t think he was in the best spirits for the media.
Also known as: "I didn't want Hazell to rightfully blast me following the game, so I wouldn't let him speak to the media." Well played Gonzo.
Original Post:
-7 second possessions. As Len Elmore put it, "Villanova will fast break you into submission." That's exactly what happened tonight, TKO by way of fast-break. How many times did Villanova score on 7 second (or less) possessions tonight? I'd be willing to bet at least 20 times. There was no stopping the Villanova run. They ran and scored buckets at will as Seton Hall looked unprepared and unwilling to get back on defense and attempt to make stops. Were we not ready for the Wildcats to run and put up quick shots around the basket? It didn't look like it. Did we watch tape on the Wildcats offensive game? It's hard to tell, Seton Hall looked lost at times trying to get back on defense.
-Wave the white flag? Throw in the towel? Give up?
It's painfully obvious that Gonzo saw enough as he benched Hazell with the Pirates down 13 and 4:05 on the clock. You read that correctly, Gonzalez benched the only efficient player for Seton Hall tonight at the most critical point of the game. Hazell was good for 32PTS on 12-of-23FG, 6-of-12 3PT & 3REB/2STL, but when Bobby came back from a 30 second timeout he placed Jeremy on the pine. I'd like to think Coach was benching him for not getting back on defense, but I firmly believe that wasn't the case.
Was Bobby Gonzalez waving the white flag? I still can't fathom what he was thinking with this decision. This is a Seton Hall team that came back down 10 against WVU in just over a minute to force OT. Why the lack of confidence tonight? Troubling, to say the least.
Furthermore, if Gonzo is trying to send a message to Hazell for taking and missing contested shots (two at the 6 minute mark and one at the 4:27 mark) who exactly is it sending a message to? What kind of message does the benching send? Hazell was the only Pirate on the floor who could make shots, he was the only reason they were in the game as there were no other players in double digits. Everyone on the team except Hazell and Stix were shooting terribly from the floor. I'll be the first to get on Hazell for shooting us out of a game, but when you're down 13 and he's the only player on the floor who can score is it fair to punish the rest of your team by benching your only threat? The rest of the team should be punished for taking and missing open jumper after open jumper. At this point, I feel more comfortable with Jeremy taking contested jumpers in an attempt to keep us in the game than anyone else taking WIDE OPEN JUMPERS and missing them!
-Harvey, was inserted into the game early in the first half as Keon picked up two early fouls. A case can be made that Harvey was the best Seton Hall PG on the floor tonight after finishing with 9PTS/7AST/3REB/4TO on 3-of-8 shooting. He didn't shoot well, he took his fair share of wild layups that had no chance and he turned the ball over too many times. Still, the point guard play was so bad tonight that he may win by default.
Keon Lawrence only shot 3 attempts and his only made FG was a layup. Hey, at least he shot 33% tonight, that'll boost his average tonight. Maybe the Keon Lawrence experiment is ending as Bobby rode the senior and Keon sat after only seeing 16 minutes. The touted, "human-pogo stick" finished the night with 3PTS/2BLK/0REB/0AST/3TO.
Last, but far from least, Jordan Theodore. In the first half he drew two nice charging fouls on a pair of Wildcats, however, JT is still shooting terribly from the floor. Not only is he shooting poorly, but his confidence is shot. He's hesitating on open jumpers and instead, he's looking to pass away instead of puling the trigger on his open J's. I'll go as far as saying that it's not only JT, Keon and Harvey are also playing without any confidence. Harvey, lost a piece of his from coming off of the bench in his senior season after starting his entire career. Keon and Jordan can only have so many off games shooting the rock before they start over thinking open jump shots, which we've been seeing more and more of over recent play. JT's final line: 5PTS/5AST/4REB/3TO on 2-of-8 shooting!
Our 3 PGs shot a wonderful 6-of-19 tonight, with their made FGs coming mostly on, you guessed it, lay-ups! I would give anything to see one of our PGs pull up from 18 feet and hit a clean jump shot. Please guys, just once against Pittsburgh, I've forgotten what it looks like.
-Stat of the night: Rebounds. Villanova's undersized and inexperienced frontcourt notched 43 (16 offensive), while we only managed 26. That'll do it.
-With the game tied at 62 and 8:30 left on the clock, the Wildcats reeled off a 16-4 run to put the Pirates to sleep. Seen it all before.
-There wasn't a single Wildcat who recorded a monster game, as they wouldn't need it. Team basketball can get the job done. Instead, they had a few, very good, balanced games.
Congratulations to Scottie Reynolds who dropped his 2,000th point tonight. What a storied career for the senior, you've got to love watching this kid play. When it's not against your team. Reynolds finished with 15PTS/5AST/4REB/STL/BLK/3TO after being held to just 2 points by JT and Keon at the half.
Antonio Pena (16PTS/8REB) won the battle against Herb Pope (6PTS/7REB/3BLK/3AST) tonight, in the battle of the 6'8 bigs.
-The Wildcats had 3 players off of their bench pull down 5REB a piece: Stokes, Armwood, Yarou, whereas the Pirates entire bench accumulated, yep, 5REB.
Let's hear it Bobby. Much more to come in tomorrow's day after post.
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In my opinion, if Bobby Gonzalez benched Hazell because he quit, that’s fireable as far as I’m concerned. When you’re the head coach, you need to keep playing when there’s 3:36 left in the game. I could see if it was under 2 minutes, but not over 3. He could of done like Hoosiers and play with four guys on the floor (as long as Hazell was one of them) and still not have been as bad.
It was a very bad decision on Bobby's part.
However, we’ll never know whether he actually, “quit” or not. Instead, he’ll rely on this, “sending a message” excuse. Sending a message? To who? To the teammates, that they’ll be punished with their only legitimate scoring threat relegated to the bench in crunch time? To Hazell? That he’ll be punished for taking contested shots when he’s been hitting them and the only one scoring for the team?
If he was intending to send a message why wasn’t Hazell benched at the first timeout immediately after his three bad shots? Why was he allowed to go back onto the court and without taking a shot or ‘Nova scoring at all, he was then benched 30 seconds later? Too many unknowns right now. Let’s see what happens.
Gonzo Ball
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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 2, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't that the deal you get with Jeremy
I know you and I complain about Hazell time to time (Georgetown in particular), but that’s what you’re getting with him, a guy with enough confidence that he can hit a shot anywhere at anytime. It would be great to watch him play HORSE. Bobby can’t now just decide that his shooting is detrimental to the team, not on a night that I was more appalled by Keon Lawrence shooting open three’s too quickly (which seemed to be noticed by Gonzo, considering he played 16 minutes).
I’m with you, I don’t believe him when he said he benched him to teach him a lesson. It’s not a lesson he’ll learn when Bobby continues to encourage Hazell to shoot like that in other games. So if he didn’t really bench him to teach a lesson, then he just threw him under the bus to save his own ass for explaining why he quit, which comes back to the fireable offense I wrote before.
I can't even put a number on the amount of times...
I saw Bobby on the sideline this year, throwing both his arms in the arm to signal “a made 3PT shot,” while Hazell is launching bad shot after bad shot. You’re absolutely right, he quit and he’s using Jeremy’s, “punishment” as a scapegoat from the media. Maybe he’s hoping the media will see through this and view him as the, “leader” he called himself tonight. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Hazell was the leader tonight. Without an off-night from Hazell, we would have lost by 20+.
Gonzo Ball
[gahn-zo-bawl]
-noun 1. a game played by 13 members of a basketball team, five at a time, sometimes crisp, often sloppy, but always furiously.
by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 2, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, With* an off-night from Hazell, we would have lost by 20+
Gonzo Ball
[gahn-zo-bawl]
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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 2, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
SAME old story
I know Nova is the #2 team in the country but they were beatable last night. This team is a joke, starting with the head coach. He has Hazell on the bench for the last 4 MINUTES? What are you doing Gonzalez???
Hazell is the only guy on the team with any heart. He had 32 points and I hate to say it, but if he is smart, he leaves after this year, instead of playing with a bunch of players who look scared to death on the court. And a coach that is clueless. Hazell was 12-23 from the field and 6-12 from three. The rest of this gutless team went 17-44 from the field and 0-7 from three. Nobody else in double figures. Pope the Pretender with 6 points. It’s always the SAME old things that hurt this team. Bad turnovers, Bad shooting, Bad coaching and a lot of mental breakdowns. Instead of trying to be a psychologist, Gonzalez should look for a guy on his team, other than Hazell, with some pride and heart. Oh I forgot, he has NO OTHER PLAYER LIKE THAT. I’m very disgusted. There are no more excuses. "The Time Is NEXT YEAR" ….not NOW.
Now If Gonzo Allowed Hazell to Continue to play............
And he continued to make bad shots. And tried forcing everything even when he was triple teamed (which was happening at that point), then a lot of people would have been on Gonzo for allowing him to continue playing.
The double standard keeps coming out towards Gonzo. I agreed with the move. It is good that he scored 32 points in the game, that doesnt mean that you allow him to take bad shots instead of hitting the open men. Villanova started to triple team him and he just wanted to continue to the bad shots.
Just remember the other person gathering Techinical Fouls outside of Gonzo has been Hazel because of his disposition. This is apart of the learning process and Gonzo had to do what he had to do.
The same goes for Gonzo’s treatment of another head case in Harvey, they have to learn that personal attitudes and temper tantrums dont help to win games.
Piratefocus, read my day after post from today
You may not agree with me, but I respectfully disagree with you. My reasoning as to why is within the day after post. Sure, there’s a double standard when it comes to Hazell and you’re right, people would have said those things.
However, there’s also a double standard with Gonzo. All season he’s encouraged the permanent green light for Hazell, suddenly last night, 20 games into the season he decides he’s going to teach the kid a lesson?
Hazell has been getting T’d up this season, just as Gonzo has, why? In my opinion, discipline. It starts with the head coach, get T’d up, set an example for your players that it’s ok to disrespect and bad-mouth the officials I suppose.
I’m not sure what you mean about Harvey, do you mean when he first started getting benched in favor of JT how he would pout on the sidelines? He did, but since he told Gonzo he’d rather come off the bench, he’s done everything that’s been asked of him, I think he’s handled the situation quite well.
Gonzo Ball
[gahn-zo-bawl]
-noun 1. a game played by 13 members of a basketball team, five at a time, sometimes crisp, often sloppy, but always furiously.

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